Wednesday 11 September 2024

Back from gone away.

We're back, after a holiday in sunny and charming Italy. Obviously no volunteering done during the last two weeks, but let's see what we can find.


A look over the fence - Island Line.

During our visit to the IOW a few weeks back, we took a trip on the last operating stub of the island's once comprehensive railway system. This is the Island Line, an 8 1/2 mile length on the former eastern side line from Ryde pier head to Ventnor, where it once ended on a ledge on a cliff after emerging from a tunnel!

Sadly the last bit to Ventnor could not be saved back in 1967, and today the operating section terminates two stations earlier, at Shanklin. As so often in the history of the island's railways, it is operated with second hand stock. Today this is class 484 stock, which replaced the ancient 1938 LT tubeline stock in 2021.

Isle of Wight No 32 at Ventnor, c1961 (crop) Neil Herapath
 


Thanks to Neil Herapath of the Friends of Winchcombe Station we can show you a glimpse of what it was like at Ventnor a few years before the line was trunkated, and electrified.

In the background you can see the cliff, which was dug away to provide a level area for the station site.

Loco No.24 Calbourne is preserved on today's steam railway.



Below now is a map of the system as it exists today, electrified with third rail and operated by class 484 units (formerly London Transport D78 stock that ran on the District line, heavily modified by Vivarail.)


You can see that there is a joint station at Smallbrook junction with the IOW steam railway, although the two do not actually join their tracks.

Former London tube line stock is used because Ryde tunnel is too low for normal profile trains. The tunnel was built to allow pier head trains under a road, so is in fact very shallow.

 

As we were staying at Sandown, we were able to join the line at Sandown station. This is a bit of a walk out of town, the reason being the steep slope away from the beach, which turns into a veritable cliff at Shanklin and Ventnor.

 



The station is not manned, and has had its platforms raised to meet the cills of the new stock.

You can see the electric third rail on the tracks, which supplies the trains with 750v current. Class 484 002 took us to Ryde pier head.




We had never seen the pier before, and were surprised at just how extensive it was. It's raison d'etre is the fact that there is a considerable area of shallows out from the coast, before the water is deep enough to accept the steamers from the mainland. The pier is nearly half a mile long, the second longest in the country. The beams in the foreground supported a tramway that ran up and down the pier, but that no longer functions. To the left, off camera, is the pedestrian part of the pier, and at the rear, by the dome, is the railway station and passenger ferry terminal. So it's quite a big structure.



Ryde pier head station, with the unit that brought us there (484 002) waiting in the only platform road. Two other platforms to the right are out of service.

Some people, we heard, complain about the irregularity (or indeed too strict regularity, not waiting for incoming boats) of the trains, but the Island Line is essentially single, with passing loops, and a delay to one train can quickly discombobulate the timetable.



This reminds us of the GWSR, also single track with passing places, where we heard a woman at Broadway trying to prevent the train from leaving (on time) because her husband was parking the car...


On the head of the pier, where the boats moor, there are still vestiges of when this was an important transit point for goods and luggage.

The cast iron plate on the crane says: THE CHATTERIS ENGINEERING Co Ltd, 2637 - Chatteris, Cambs - 1925.




A surprising visitor to Ryde was this hovercraft. It is the last hovercraft service in the country, and crosses the Solent in just 10 minutes. It carries quite a lot of people too, we counted about 80 getting off.

In the background are two of the famous Palmerston forts, built in the 1860s to protect against a landing by the French. They worked; no French troops ever landed here.



Rather than take the train, we decided to walk the length of the pier, which also made a lineside shot of 484005 possible. If we are not mistaken, these trains still carry the whistle they had with LT.


 

 

This is the 'Hoverport' - just a beach really - right by the start of the pier. From a footbridge over the railway you get a great view of both modes of transport, hover and rail.

From the same footbridge you can also catch the trains coming out of Ryde tunnel. You can see how shallow it is - just to get you under the promenade really. It's the low roof of the tunnel that drives the need for lower profile trains - which you find second hand on the London Underground.

This is 484002 just arriving


The passing shot shows it arriving at Ryde Esplanade, where the line turns sharp right to get on to the long pier.

This non railway shot - hope you don't mind - shows how close to the mainland the IOW really is. In the foreground is the pier, and across the Solent you can see the white Spinnaker tower in Portsmouth.

We liked Ryde. Sandown on the other hand was depressing. There were several abandoned hotels. Shanklin, a half hour walk along the shore, immediately felt better. Strange.




Another shot of 484002 arriving at the curved Esplanade station. The service was about half hourly, it felt as if there were two units shuttling up and down.

There's a guard on board that will also sell tickets (e.g. no ticket machine at Smallbrook).

Looking out of the window as we pass the depot at St Johns we can see 484003 and 004 relaxing in the sun. So 002 and 005 were handling the service that day? Where is 001?


Our last picture on the Island Line adventure shows Brading signal box. As far as we know it is not in operation, but what a nice view of it. It would have controlled the junction for the Bembridge branch.

It would be lovely to extend the Island Line the last two stops back into Ventnor. Lack of money is an obvious reason why not. The other, we heard, was a water pipe laid through Ventnor tunnel, although that would surely not be an unsurmountable obstacle?

Here's a map to give you an idea of what is involved.



Class 117 DMU now for sale.

A bit of a surprise but for the cognoscenti, but the operational class 117 DMU has been put up for sale a few days ago.

Here is the official advertisement:

https://www.gwsr-dmu.co.uk/class-117-set-l425-for-sale/

As you will know, all the motive power on the GWSR is privately owned, so this is a decision made by the owners. The 3 car unit does feature in our timetable though, so it will be interesting to see what will replace it.

One option would be the class 122 'Bubble car', which is currently being restored. The exterior is complete, the interior not yet.




Wednesday a week ago with the Usketeers.

The fence build continued, blogging or not, but luckily we had Dave who took a few pictures to record what they did.



The project continued, now revolving around the final post, and where it was to be located. We checked this with those in the know, and it was decided to locate it next to the temporary gate, but without Postcrete, so that it could be moved as desired when the actual proposed sliding gate is put in. This is currently not going to happen as the plc does not have the money for it, unless we find a sponsor?





The ugliness with the Heras fencing has to resume here, as the temporary steel mesh gate is still being used. To give the wobbly thing stability it was attached to the post and rail fence just put in.

We have in store two replica GWR cast iron crests for the new gate, they just need a gate to go on.






This is the same shot, but from the opposite side.


Modern signage, put up recently, shows the way.





The last shot taken Wednesday a week ago shows not only the top end of the new post & rail fence, but also several of the intermediate posts that Paul has started to put on. Although we have had to work with modern softwood, those intermediate posts have lessened the twisting and bending that tends to happen with unseasoned wood, and it all looks quite robust now.




Today with the Usketeers.

A nasty surprise for those that were used to wandering round in sandals, shorts and a T shirt in 37 degrees C - 8 degrees C this morning! On came jumper, orange jacket and a beanie hat. Welcome home....

But you do get to see your mates again, and after a while, we did miss them. So it was great to be back, and get on with the job.


The first thing of note was the scaffolding that has been erected at the north end of the Toddington station building. We were delighted to learn that this is to enable the reconstruction of Toddington's missing third chimney. This was a single chimney, which served the fireplace in the stationmaster's office below. (Sadly, about 12 years ago that slate fireplace was ripped out and the stationmaster's office, and original booking office, were combined to make a double room which is used by today's shop.)

Toddington in 1958 or 1959.       H.C. Casserley, Tony Harden collection.

The car outside, a 1935 Morris 12/4 light saloon, belongs to the photographer, and still exists today.     
The three chimneys served fireplaces (all in slate) for the stationmaster, the booking office, the first class waiting room, and the general waiting room. Only the last named is anything near original today, we have a lot of catching up to do. 



Just for comparison, here is a photograph taken by long standing PWay member John Lees in 1982. The chimney has already gone.

Our best guess is that it was removed by BR after the closure to stopping passenger services. The plinth that remains has a slight lean to it, so the chimney was probably no longer perfectly vertical.



Another interesting view can be taken from the footbridge, early in the morning when the sun is still behind the camera.


During the day two members of our C&M department went up there to discuss the source of appropriate bricks for the reconstruction, and we asked their permission to join them for a chat, and a photograph.

You can see that the remaining flue has been covered by a slab of 2x2.

The Broadway P2 project has the right sort of bricks for this (imperial facing bricks, weathered) and very kindly agreed to lend 150 examples to allow the rebuild to start.


During our 2 week absence in Tuscany and Liguria Neal was very busy, and we can see a second truss well advanced in the 'greenhouse'.

Other signs of his work were these central elements of the trusses, which have been welded up (L) and drilled for rivetting (R). 

Neal also supported John at Broadway with the brick laying, which also continued (see below).


Now on to the Usketeers.


The basic post and rail is now in place, and the current job is the fitting of the intermediate supports, two to a section.

The top end is complete, and looks very neat. Yours truly spent the day giving the completed sections a second coat of creosote. This will protect the wood further, but one of the main aims is to make it look darker, as it was.

At the end of the day we were up to the tree in the foreground, a bit over half way. You can see the difference in colour here, with the upper end darker.



Paul, Dave and John fitted several more intermediate posts, then spent the rest of the time perfecting this corner, which was initially only roughly bolted up.

The ends of the rails were cut at angles to make the fit better.







A minor discovery was made underneath the fence, during painting. This is the bottom of a small GWR coffee cup. From our experience by the goods shed at Broadway, where a lot of broken china was dumped during GWR days, the full text, in red here, would have been: GWR RESTAURANT CAR.

After the end of the day we dropped in at Broadway, to see how far John had got.

The answer was that he had done very well. The fourth of five plinth courses is complete, and so is most of the fifth. So much so that John has made a little start on the plinth header bricks that go on top.

When the Usketeer team has finished the fence in 2 or 3 weeks, they will assist with the internal block laying here, so that John is not completely on his own with all the brick laying.


Neal also gave us a useful site update. During the non running days in November the two empty coal wagons will be brought back, a 3 ton mini digger hired in, and with the company's little dumper we will then remove the remaining surplus spoil, and dig out the foundations for the bottom of the steps, and possibly for a small wall to run along behind them.

The assembly of the canopy on site will then take place a year hence, during the next non-running period.

Here is an updated overview of the brickwork, as it was today. The piles around the building are now all plinth header bricks, ready for the next stage.


After a very successful day and a great feeling of progress all round, our happiness was dashed by...

... the discovery of yet another modern sign, this one affixed directly on to our heritage station building. 

Why do we trash the very thing that we are trying to sell? Our jaw just dropped at the perceived need to spoil the replica building with a warning about E-scooters.

The signage explosion started about a year ago, and is clearly not over yet.



32 comments:

  1. How often do people try and travel with an E-scooter? In 13 years of being a TTI and Guard I have never seen a passenger with one. I’d imagine this volume would be suitable to be dealt with by station staff rather than a sign? I noticed today Toddington has had the same sign put up on the original brick wall plus another one that I didn’t read (does anyone actually read them?) on the modesty screens.

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    1. More holes in the original fabric..... there is no respect for our buildings.

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    2. If the railway is worried about the lithium ion batteries used on E-scooters what about their use in wheelchairs? Are they going to be banned as well.
      Neal

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    3. Another complete WASTE of MONEY - I thought it was a precious commodity?!!!

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    4. Its perhaps worth noting that I believe these signs are a requirement from the insurance company and have to be displayed at all stations. Presumably as cover in case there was an incident with e-scooters on the trains - noting this ban matches what happens on the big railway.

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    5. It is currently illegal to use an e-scooter on the public road, except in trial zones such as London. So we will never see one at Broadway, unless it was carried there, which is most unlikely.
      Railway companies are banning them because of the perceived fire risk. But that is for areas where they are in use. So what is the risk for us?

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  2. I’m still astounded that there is no central management function that controls what happens at the various stations, whilst the need for signage is understandable a little discussion and thought is all it needs?

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    1. People using the station do what they want. Once we have handed over the build, we lose the control over what they do to it. Sadly.

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  3. It would be such a shame if all these ridiculous signs just suddenly ‘fell off’. What a complete waste of money, money the railway does not have

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  4. The train operators on the Big Railway have "No e-scooters" policies as well. Probably something to do with the propensity of the batteries to burst into flames and start fires.

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    1. That may be so, but we are not a 'Big Railway', and just because we have one of a number of policies, there is no need to stick it large on your heritage building. We are 'a living museum', we say.

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  5. Firstly, welcome back Jo. Was a bit worried about you as no hint that you were off on holidays.
    Yes. It seems that as a nation the so called need for these type of signs has grown out of all proportion. It is like the temporary traffic lights that you see, accompanied by a sign stating "When red light shows wait here". No!?, Really!? No wonder the public at large are getting dimmer. What next? A sign stating "Don't forget to walk on the ground"? Let's give the public a bit of credit for the ability to understand things, and take away the American habit of "If it is not stated in writing, we can take them to court if we are caught doing something that we shouldn't". If I've gone on a bit long about this it is only that it 'gets my goat' when we see superfluous signage and an inability for the public to use common sense. Rant over. Maybe I will see a sign about it!!
    Regards, Paul.

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  6. What happened to the Heritage Committee formed a few years ago ? Wasn't the intention that they monitor and approve any "modifications" to ensure that, as far as possible, any additions and alterations fit with the appropriate period ?

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    1. The Heritage Group still exists and meets from time to time, but it is unfortunately quite toothless.

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  7. Fot interest, how much would the sliding gate cost?, and what happen to the gates at Travis Perkins, they would have been ideal?

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    1. We already have two similar sliding gates, so the cost will be known, but we don't have the funds to address this.
      We did look into the Malvern Road gates and indeed the fence around the shed site. Although we had contact with the developers, the gates went to the VOB railway.
      Because there is a high pressure gas main that runs down the middle of the approach road we are not allowed to dig holes such as for substantial gate posts, so that idea had to be shelved. Hence the solution proposed of a sliding gate from the side.
      Two replica GWR gate crests wait in your blogger's garage for the day a gate is installed.

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  8. Great to have you back Jo Thursdays have not been the same. Marvelous work by the gang in your absence.

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    1. Thank you! I was touched by numerous enquiries made about my fate! It's very kind of you all.

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  9. Excellent news regarding the forthcoming reinstatement of the missing chimney at Toddington's main waiting room. As your blog states, it had gone some time before the GWSR took over. It will restore the building nicely. Regarding the signage, there would appear to be a lack of joined up thinking regarding what is essential (safety signage) and what is risible (e-scooters - fortunately they got rid of the hired ones in my adopted City of York). We need to lobby the GWSR management at the next AGM and encourage some sensible approach to heritage. I know it's a bit of a hashtag first world problem subject but it is somewhat frustrating.

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    2. I deleted my original comment because I discovered I'd got some info wrong. As far as I can see, there's no 'edit' option, so I had to start again...

      All train operators on the national network banned electric scooters on trains some time ago, because there were several instances of the batteries catching fire.

      Not every electric scooter is at risk of catching fire - it's basically an issue with those fitted with cheaper Chinese-made batteries. The trouble is, most batteries are Chinese-made these days, and there's no practical way of ensuring that only electric scooters with safe batteries can board trains. The only realistic option is to ban them all.

      Electric bicycles are a different matter (I've just found out!)

      If I recall correctly there was at one time a blanket ban, but I've (rather belatedly) looked up some train operators' websites and found that electric bikes are allowed on trains - sometimes with restrictions which can differ from one operator to another.

      GWR (the main line operator) allows all electric bikes without restrictions, but bans e-scooters and all other 'powered vehicles' (presumably that means mobility scooters, too?)

      London Northwestern allows electric bikes - but only if the power is less than 250 watts, and the battery must be disconnected before entering the station. I have no idea how, or if, this rule is enforced. Do guards on the trains have to check the wattage of any electric bikes on board? I'm not sure how a motor in itself presents a risk anyway, especially if the battery is disconnected.

      So, the situation with e-bikes is a bit complicated. Check before you travel, and all that!

      I have no idea what the Gloucestershire Warwicksdhire Railway policy on e-bikes is, but I dare say someone will put up a sign to tell us before long.

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  10. Could you enlighten me as to the purpose of the yellow device on a tripod that John uses while he is laying bricks. Thanks.

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    1. It's a laser level, a common device in building projects. It allows John to check that he is laying his bricks level, compared to a common point.

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  11. This country is now locked into thinking all adults shall be viewed as children and treated accordingly such as trigger warnings on TV. contestants behaving like excited children on certain game shows and don't get me started on " ...see it says it sorted." The GWSR management has got caught up in this. Who are they and can shareholders and Trust members please have an explanation for this signage and other garish modern attachments, please? There is never an explanation on the website or i n " The Cornishman" for this sort of thing. On a brighter note glad to have you back with another very interesting blog Jo.

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    1. Frustratingly, it does seem common for signage to be a haphazard mish-mash all over the railway network these days.

      As an example, at Slough station you can see some signs in Great Western's corporate serif font, others in the long-established Railway Alphabet (otherwise known as the British Rail font), some in the new, more spindly New Railway Alphabet, a few signs in block capitals which have no particular style, and even some home-made signs on A4 paper, laminated and hung up with cable ties - astonishingly amateurish, in my view.

      The lifts at Slough are identified as 'Customer lift' or 'Passenger lift' according to signs placed next to each other!

      It's a mess - and that's a National Network station, managed by one of the UK's main train operators.

      Clear, accurate, simple, sensible signage seems to be one of those things that we don't do very well in Britain these days. No idea why, because it's not difficult.

      That's not an excuse for the GWSR becoming weirdly sign-happy, of course. In fact it would be nice if the GWSR could set a good standard in this area, to show everybody how well signage can be done.

      But I think this would need some direction from the top. That's a difficult thing to do on a volunteer-run outfit such as a heritage railway, which is full of semi-autonomous groups doing their own thing. You can't *tell* people what to do. You can only *ask* them.

      That means enforcing standards can be difficult, and requires a lot of tact and diplomacy - and when it comes to signage, the GWSR has nobody on its management team with responsibility for this area anyway.

      I looked up the GWSR management structure, to see if the railway has a Communications Director, or Information Manager, or any position like that - someone who would effectively be the railway's Head Of Signs.

      To my surprise, there is no such role.

      Nobody is in overall control of the way the GWSR presents itself to the world. Nobody sets standards, or ensures a consistent style, when it comes to the way the railway imparts information.

      That, I think, explains a lot.

      (Incidentally, the GWSR website tells me that Tracey Jaggers is the manager responsible for the 'Cotswold Holt'. That should be 'Cotswold Halt', guys....)

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    2. Responsibility probably falls under the marketing manager, if we're going on the definition of how the GWSR presents itself to the world. She is of course responsible for a lot of things, but you'd like to think it is the sort of thing that could be delegated. I did show some willingness in this area, as I think I have a fair degree of knowledge on what looks 'right' from a heritage point of view, and I like to think a fairly practical sense of what a sign should and shouldn't say (less is more!). However despite producing many examples which individually went down well I could never get much momentum up.

      What it really needs is a strong station group to say "If you want a sign, do it through us" to give a bit more control. The Winchcombe team are good at this, then they come to me for the designs! Usually I get a list of "Here's what we want" and I often go back with "Ok, but here are some heritage examples that look like this, and I've drawn inspiration from that as well". It's no more expensive (an accusation often levelled at doing things more heritage) just requires a bit more thought.

      Unfortunately a knee-jerk reaction to a member of the public asking a question, or doing something wrong, always seems to be "Put a sign up". Not just on the GWSR but everywhere. I remain convinced that this is actually effective. Witness the multitude of signs at Broadway entrance as featured on their own blog, or the 'essay' at the entrance to Toddington station drive, who's reading those!?

      Oh well, the offer remains open, not just to 'the hierarchy' but to anyone in any station group - always happy to help, but I can't make it happen without someone else who cares too.

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    3. 'remain unconvinced', I hope !
      Another knee jerk reaction: Someone decided that changing a baby's nappy on a table in the Broadway cafe was the only choice, and claimed there was no sign where the facilities were.
      An aluminium sign was promptly put on the disabled toilet door!

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    4. Oops, yes indeed! *sigh* oh dear. We've had babies being changed on carriage tables, thankfully no one has decided we therefore need a sign in every carriage telling folk not to, although maybe I shouldn't give anyone ideas!

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  12. Light blue touch paper and retire immediately. I don't have a problem with the black and white signs, they are in the style of GWR signs. And an exploding e-scooter destroying a train would have us all saying "why was it allowed on the train". But I do find the big green event signs a bit garish...

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  13. The use of the large plastic posters which usually have a life of a few weeks, at most, contrasts with the lack of timetable leaflets. The Pheasant at Toddington has a large rack for tourist leaflets in the doorway but not a single item from the GWSR - you wouldn't know there was a heritage railway on the doorstep. The same applies at the tourist information point in Winchcombe. My wife has always said that, if you walk around Winchcombe, you would never know that there was a heritage railway nearby. I am frequently having to apologise for the lack of a paper timetable to visitors who turn up at Winchcombe station on a Friday when no public trains are running. I still see them for other heritage railways. It's a matter of basic marketing surely.

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    1. Since you are in the locality perhaps you could undertake to keep Toddington and Winchcombe supplied with appropriate leaflets ?

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  14. I am disappointed to hear that the DMU might disappear from the GWSR timetable. I personally prefer to travel on it when I visit the line - it gives a much better view of the line itself and the scenery/wildlife around. I hope that something similar can be arranged in future.

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